Peter’s layout

“Good morning Al,

Last year I bought your Beginners Guide – very useful, thank you and each day when I receive an e-mail from you I look with interest as my 10′ x 8′ layout is just starting to take shape.

So my plan is to construct a railway with all rolling stock bought with grand-children in mind (or by them) so the theme has to be from all ages.

We have a hall that is multi-functional (dances, meetings etc) but I have ceiling space for the track.

Tomorrow I plan to start wiring all the points, I am trying to leave wiring the track until later – play time would be too tempting!

Later I will try to find some theme park rides (fun fair), but that could be a good year down the line (Ha!).

Look forward to hearing from you.

Cheers,

Peter”

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“When I run my wires under my platform I put names on them so I know what they are for. I use masking or adhesive tape to write on. I do not just mark the ends but also if it is a very long run I mark in several places. Also I run my wires through screw eyelets, this way I do not weaken the structure of the platform. Also I use these to run wires under my ramps for track on mountains, this way the wire does not hang down and catch on other things.

Theodore”


“Hi Alistair,

I thought I’d been spending to much time on the things that I could do when the trains are up and running, so I’ve had a bit of a stock check and decided to get some track down, this is what I have at the moment, but I guess I’ll need more!

I’m experimenting curving long lengths of track as I want to keep the joints to a minimum.
I’ve been successful with soldering droppers to silver nickel rail, which I thought was going to cause me a headache…. not at all.

Hope you like the Barum circus train it was a rare find!…. didn’t tell the wife how much I payed for it by the way!!!

Sleeper retaining pins are way too small so I’m going make myself a little fixture that fit’s between the sleepers that allows me to drill a tiny hole in the baseboard for a flat head screw that bridges two sleepers hence retaining the track.

Just a last thought……. if any of you are nearing my age, 63 next week. Don’t go for ‘Z ‘ gauge it’s a tad small.
Happy modeling all.

Keith.”

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I do love it when your tips come in – even after all these years. Please do keep ’em coming.

A big thanks to Keith, Theodore and Peter.

And if you’re still sitting on the side lines, you can dive in here with the Beginner’s Guide.

Best

Al

PS Latest ebay cheat sheet is here.



24 responses to “Peter’s layout”

  1. Ben Hawkins says:

    I really like the Drop Down Layout, If the under side had a covering, similar to the ceiling design, this would really, put this over well

  2. Eric Kiehl the firefighter says:

    I am going to send pics of me shelf layout in the near future, I have been a firefighter going on 36 years and had trains as a child and in my grown up life never had the space in the first to homes. I now have the space and finished to 1000 Swift in my basement which contains a fire house looking museum with the beginnings of a HO shelf layout. So stay tuned for pics.
    Thanks for all the emails of ideas.

    Eric the firefighter.

  3. SHELDON PHX. AZ. says:

    Love the idea of raising the platform to the ceiling. Would like to see information as to how this is done. Motor, pollies ect. Except for the expense this could be the answer for a lot of folks with limited pace

  4. Werner says:

    Hi Al, I watched Peter’s layout with interest because I have a 4’X 8′ layout that is kept under the ceiling in my garage. Because dust is a big problem I attached a little curtain to the ceiling and when the layout is wound up it hides under this curtain keeping the dreaded dust out. Very effective.
    Good luck
    Werner
    Down-under

  5. Bob Bradford says:

    I was very interested to see the ‘ceiling layout’ as it reminded me of my first layout I had as a boy in the late ’50s.
    We lived in an old house in East London and space was at a premium. My dad built the layout so it could be lowered onto the dining table from the ceiling using a home made winch under my parents bed in the room above. He used old parachute cord threaded through holes drilled through the floor.
    As the layout was raised so was the light fitting. We had subdued lighting before it became fashionable. My mum had a lot to put up with!

  6. DenTX says:

    I have seen this type of suspended layouts in garages but, not in homes. What a great idea for condo living in large cities where space is at a premium! Where there is a need for a layout us modelers will find a way! Great job, thanks for the idea!

  7. Sundaram P says:

    Fantastic layout. Good idea to hoist up your layout using the vertical space. I suppose it is a motorized haul up.

  8. Don Dasa says:

    Sad to see you don’t like Z Scale. I’m age 82 and Z is NOT too small. Look around on YouTube and other locations to see some of the Z Scale spectacular layouts. Scenery is often MUCH better than N or HO.

  9. Rob McCrain says:

    I think it is unusual to wait untill everything is done to run trains on the layout. There could be any number of problems with the track that will only show up when it is run. Perhaps this one will start up flawlessly. Great place to store it though. I am impressed. Rob

  10. jerry kaminsky says:

    I think he did a great job on the hanging layout. If there was some scenery to hover the hanger it would fool everybody. I have considered a hanging layout but using the block and tackle approach , hanging from the 4 corners opens a whole new scenery approach.

    Great Job!

  11. david howarth says:

    Love the hanging layout idea …Dave

  12. Bill says:

    For a long time I have thought about doing something like this and now as retirement gets closer I am seriously considering it.

    Like the other person who commented, I would like to know the details as well.

  13. This a extremely very gd idea, this would be something I would love to have sitting in my living room or empty bedroom some day. No let me restate that comment, This is what I want no questions asked .

  14. wow Interesting idea Ted the drop-down-from-the-ceiling layout
    would like to see it when its finished
    and Keith as for the Price of the N gauge circus train NOT mentioned to the wife
    well…..

    promise I wont say anything to the lady….
    hahahhaa

  15. James Maitlasnd says:

    First the track plan looks great. Assume it is HO scale. Wish I had ceilings high enough to do this. How is it balanced with the center lift points? You could add designers and or lighting on the underside.

  16. Albert says:

    An imagination barring none. The rafters involved would have to be very strong and be able to carry such a load. It is nonetheless a brilliant use of airspace.
    The ceiling would have to be a minimum 8 feet.
    Electrical conduits would be in the ceiling above the layout.

  17. Darrel says:

    Great Idea for the hanging layout. But you should use atlas flex track. one track is supposed to curve one track is rigid solder on the rigid track. when you go to bend it you will see what I mean. Keep all flex track say on to the left or right side then you will know that it is uniform. But you need to run your trains as if your curves are to tight it could cause derailment and if run trains you will actually work on your layout faster as you will think of what you might want to add for future development areas. IHC has the fair rides. I have all of them including the motors. Get ahold of a Walthers Catalog and you will be amazed as to what the have in stock ok. Good Luck with running your trains. Darrel.

  18. Vance Calvin says:

    Totally Awesome

  19. Neal Doty says:

    Kayak lifts work great for raising and lowering layout. Check load rating when when shopping. Kayaks can weigh 60-80 lbs,

  20. Craig1217 says:

    I am very interested in the lift arrangement used in the first entry. I did not see any lines that would indicate a block and tackle system. I thought I saw a single bar traversing the layout. Is that correct? Fantastic work. You ever notice that the people that send in photos and videos seem to be not only superb engineers but very artistically inclined. Great Work by all.

  21. paul Otway says:

    I like the idea of the drop down layout, Just be careful about reverse loops, in Dc

    You will need an isolating track to change the polarity.

    With Dcc no hassles I believe though I could be wrong.

  22. Harvey Kahler says:

    Very nice Peter!

    My brother-in-law built a 4’x8′ layout with 1/2″ plywood sheet reinforced by 1’x3″ framing, and covered with about a 1/4″ thick plywood for a soffiy painted white with a sand finish to match the LR ceiling. Small holes through the 1x3s for wiring doesn’t sertiously affect the strength. My wife was happy with the result.

    Rather than the elaborate hanger beam and electric winch, we used hooks in the ceiling and ropes with loop in the middle and end in order to raise or lower in two stages to minimize the angle between ends.

    We weren’t in the apartment long enough to figure out how to minimize sway or the odd jolt.

  23. Roly says:

    Hanging Layout; like the concept, especially to overcome difficulty of wiring under the baseboard- food for thought for a future project!

  24. Peter Lymer says:

    Re: Hanging Layout.

    Thank you all for your encouraging comments. They are very much appreciated.
    I am in the process of re-designing the pulleys, actually already designed the improvement but now have to action them! The winch works well but the board is uneven when being raised and lowered.

    Thank you also for advice of powering up the layout sooner than later. I will do that also.

    I will report back to you all later; possibly as winter draws in. (Even in Wales we have summer and a time to be outside and enjoy the countryside.)

    Cheers,
    Peter

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