Warren’s 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotive restoration

“Hello, Alastair;

I have attached pics of a Mantua HO gauge 4-6-2 Pacific loco and tender I have restored. I bought it on eBay for a few dollars, and I liked the way it’s built, so I decided to “fix” it. It had started life as a C&O unit, painted blue. There were a lot of miscellaneous problems with it, and I had to find valve gear for the left side.

I grew up in a little town on the Louisville & Nashville railroad in Alabama, so of course I’m modeling the L&N. I found the red/gold L&N heralds on the cab from a gentleman in northern Minnesota. His company is Northern Scale Models, and he’s a pleasure to deal with.

Once I had all needed parts, I started by rebuilding and reworking the drivers and trucks. All the driver rods have been bushed to eliminate excess movement, and the valve gear rivets have been tightened to prevent the gear flopping around. I removed all flash in the driver wheel spokes and used gunmaker’s liquid blue to darken them. I made the front truck from brass stock, and used brass wheels on it I bought online. I found the brass trailing truck spoked wheels online too, and had to rework the axle to fit the truck.

After finishing the chassis, I removed all mould marks on the boiler, polished out flaws, and added the details seen, including Sunbeam generator, brass bell, pop-off valve, boiler feedwater heater, class lights, air and signal hoses, pilot steps, & coupler lifter. The paint I chose is Badger Engine Black, and it’s a great product. All handrails are handmade from .020 brass wire, and the throttle linkage is .020 steel wire.

This is my first effort at restoring (aka kit bashing?), a metal loco, so I hope you will cut me a little slack on this one. One area I haven’t tackled is decals. I’ve tried on another loco, but they just look like decals. I can’t figure a way to seal edges and blend them into the paint without ruining the paint. If anyone has ideas, I’d sure appreciate your help.

Thank you for all you do, Al, I read your blog faithfully each morning.

Warren”

“Hi Al Another view of the log train shown previously. Scenery finally getting there along the shelf towards the yard.

Ballast and roadwork is next on the to do list at the town and yard.

All the best

Brian.”



Latest ebay cheat sheet is here.

A huge thanks to Warren and Brian. Some impressive stuff there – I do love seeing the different scales, scenery, styles and my inbox each day. Please do keep ’em coming folks.

And don’t forget the Beginner’s Guide if creating your own layout is an itch you just have to scratch.

Best

Al

25 responses to “Warren’s 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotive restoration”

  1. Ralph Berry says:

    What a splendid model Warren, I hope it gives you many years of enjoyment.

  2. Joe Cavilla says:

    That is a very nice job on the resto of the loco and tender, beautiful.

  3. Bob Shipley says:

    Warren- great job on the Pacific. One of my favorite models. I have not done this myself but on another modeling site I follow, several fellows have written about using a clear coat spray after the decals are applied. Many mention “Dull-coat”, not sure if that’s a brand or not.

    Nice work Brian. Lot’s of moving parts on those Shays.

    Bob

  4. Patrick Gorman says:

    Warren,

    For your decals, use a decal product like “Solvaset” to set and soften decals. Then apply a spray coat of clear over the model and there will be no edges!

    Hope this gives you the finish you are looking for!

    Pat Gorman – Corry, Pa

  5. Tracy says:

    Amazing job on your engine – I can’t imagine the time and patience it took! Regarding the decals – how about using rub off lettering? I haven’t done it, but I’m guessing that you can generate such things on a computer so you can have the size and font, or graphic you want.

  6. Stan Johnson says:

    The product Warren needs to make his decals look like they were painted on is a decal setting solution. Several companies offer the stuff. It melts water slide decals on to the surface of the model. The process is to first apply a gloss coat of clear to get a smooth surface so you won’t have any “silvering” of the decal. You can skip this step if the model was painted with a gloss paint to start with. Apply the decal with the setting solution and let dry. Don’t panic when the solution looks like it has destroyed the decal. Just let it dry. When dry spray a flat or gloss clear coat over the model as required. I have models over 30 years old with decals that still look like new that were applied this way.

    Cheers,
    Stan J.

  7. Michael Wright says:

    Nice story on the 4-6-2. Log train was a welcome change

  8. Gerry Labrie says:

    I have always love that style of engine Great job

  9. paul vogel says:

    What a great job on the rebuild Warren and Brian’s layout is so cool !

  10. that redo on the loco is fantastic ! I have used the (Solvaset) stuff and the guys are right , it works very well and has several names depending on what company has produced it .
    Be well and stay safe Sir !
    George

  11. Chuck says:

    Enjoyed both articles.

  12. John Reynolds says:

    Excellent work on the Mantua Pacific. Those old metal locomotives could be challenging to work on. (Do not ask me how I know.)
    As to the decal situation… I have found that the Dry Transfer type are now essentially impossible to find. I am also having problems finding anyone who can/will print custom water slide decals in white. The solution does seem to be “solvaset” which is a Micro-Scale product (they actually have a whole line of products specific to applying decals) and the Dull Cote (An old Testors product). In both cases I would suggest checking out some of the many modelers sites and publications to see what they use. When Rustoleum bought Testors they seem to have changed the formulation for Dull Cote but there are many other matte finish clear sprays available.
    John from California

  13. Thomas Murphy says:

    Warren and Brian, thank you for allowing us to see your wonderful ideas.

  14. dave says:

    nice work!! I have rode on the L&N 152 light pacific many times at the Kentucky railroad museum they had cab rides for a extra charge not been there in a wile do not know if they still offer that It was great fun to get to do it.

  15. john seale says:

    nice work…I just finished a Bowser (all metal) of a Chicago area railroad; if you live in the US, I’d try S.C. Johnson’s “Pledge Floor Care Finish” in the large clear bottle with a blue label…apply and let it dry overnight, just like a paint…add decals & setting solution; wash when dry and cover with lacquer “Dullcote…or Glosscote” there are also acrylics from Vallejo, etc…Pledge get it from Amazon or WalMart… Vallejo, hobby shop/Amazon

  16. Mike says:

    Fantastic, it would have been great to see a before and after picture. Nice job, not sure if I have the patience.

    Has anyone tried 3d printing to create hard to get parts, it seems you can reproduce anything.

  17. Ian Campbell says:

    Beautiful work, Warren. Factory-fresh quality.

  18. Joe W. says:

    Thanks Brian and Warren.
    I love how you restored that old Pacific Warren, especially neat and clean job. Looks like a new engine

  19. Old Yeller says:

    NICELY DONE Mantua 4-6-2!!!! I myself have several Mantua loco’s and one type is the same as you have here. (I have one dating to 1948!)

    Question? DCC or old school DC Cab Control? AND to add to the questions, old open frame Mantua DC-90 motor, or did you remotor it with a can?

  20. Ian Mc Donald says:

    a great resto job on the train.love the logging train thanks for sharing.

  21. Rod Mackay says:

    Beautiful restoration, and somehow the metal models have an air of real heft about them that you just don’t quite get with plastic.

  22. Warren Ferguson says:

    My 4-6-2 is DC only at this point, and has the original DC-90 motor. It runs very well as it is. I keep playing with the idea of switching to DCC, but I love running the trains as they are, as well. Question for you, do you know when the model I have was made? Thanks for the tips, everyone. Warren

  23. Dale Rust says:

    OK folks … I am 81 1/2 years on this earth…. when I was around 3 .. ot 4, my Dad would take me along to the local grain elevator for cattle feed, grinding, etc… occassionally there sat on the tracks (and we would pass it sometimes 30 ft. away) one of those BIG, BLACK, AND SCARY looking locomotives …. NOTHING in my meager existence was SCARRIER …. steam emitting from various orifices, and when it started moving, the huff and puff sound was eiriey and scarrier. And I noticed that my (past) 2 to 3 year old grandson would back away from one of those models on the floor when it was coming around the curve … with all those simulated sounds ,,,,, WHAT IS IT that makes one of those black locomotives frightening ??

  24. Warren Ferguson says:

    Brian, I love your logging train. I have not owned a Shay, but I’d sure like to expand my empire to include one in a logging operation. One question: are the logs you use factory made, or do you make your own? Congrats on a wonderful operation! Warren

  25. Alistair Kewish says:

    Hi
    Alastair,

    The recent rebuild of a US loco sparked off something in my head.

    The restorer mentioned obtaining spoked wheels for the rear end of his loco.

    I have made fruitless searches across the Internet to try to get my hands on something similar for one of my GW tank engines.

    Could you please advise me how to track down the correct type of pony truck wheels?

    The existing wheels were cast from a solid mold of plastic which to my ageing eyes looks pretty stupid.
    Especially as the other wheels correctly imitate the prototype.

    If you can help, I’d be very obliged.

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