Dual level HO scale layout – Dan’s

The talented Dan has been back in touch with another missive on his dual level HO scale layout:

“The next installment of the ‘unnamed Railroad’ is an example of what model railroading is all about.

We are problem solvers. Whether we must decide where to put a layout? What scale? What size can it be? Do we think about how high it should be? Does it need to be low so my grandkids can see?

Do I want it to be my height? What era should it be? If we are older, (say mid 40’s) do I want to model trains as I remember them? Or do a modern layout? DC or DCC?

The list goes on and on. What materials do I use? Premade buildings or kits or even craftsman kits?

Even if you have been doing this for some time, what can I use for scenery materials? In one of my early posts about my scenery materials, I demonstrated how I used kitty litter for my small rocks. I showed how I used plastic conduit cut in half to make culverts.

In posts to come I will show how I used a common flower, Sedum, to make trees. I plan to show how I made the background trees seen in many of my posts. Many of the readers have solved these issues in different ways.

Show us how solved the ‘problems’ you have run across. The posts I have seen show creativity and planning. How did you figure your way out of the proverbial ‘painted my self in a corner’ issue?

This installment I will show you how I solved an interesting problem. In the past 2 installments I had to hide a helix and do what the owner of the layout wanted. He wanted to be able to stand up inside to be able to work on any issues that cropped up.

The other was the incline with the foam forms that are available. This ‘problem to be solved’ is the connection between the two. The owner contracted a company to put the “top” in a double deck layout I was building. The track plan did not consider the scenery to come. There is an over/under on the double track mainline! Pay attention to the first photos to see the issue.

Dual level HO scale layout track plan

Photo 1 The basic second level of the layout. A contracted layout design company did the scheme and did all the track work and most of the early wiring. They also use the real rocks ballasting. This blog will concentrate on the middle part. The previous blogs dis the helix and the incline from the right to the middle section.

river track plan for model railroad

Photo 2 The double tracked mainline has an over and under section for some unknown reason. If you can enlarge the photo you can see the % grade and elevations they did. The purple track is the lead to the helix and coal mine. The gray track is the main lines and they do not go to the helix. They will enter a tunnel and just come out of the mountain over the helix.

Let’s see what imagination can do.

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Photo 3. Overall view. I have already installed 3 of the 4 bridges in this photo. Note that the plywood track board had to be cut ti install the bridges. Problem #1. How to cut the track and the ballast without doing any damage to the rest of the track. Dremel tool and careful saber saw.

 Dual level HO scale layout

Photo 4 Captions for the work.

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Photo 5 A view down the length from the coal mine to the far end.

 model railroad elevated track

Photo 6 Looking from the “back side” of the coal mine from inside the helix. Problem #2. You will be able to see the work from both sides. The scenery had to “make sense” when viewed from either side.

HO scale elevated track

Photo 7 I decided to have the mainlines pass over hills and cross a river two times. I had to justify the over under with perhaps a line relocation. This was done as money and traffic increased. You can see I have cut out the river bed. Just used an Exaxto knife to cut the Homasote base.



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 model railroad river crossing

Photo 8 The other crossing. Note there is no bridge above the bottom bridge. Problem #3 You will see the “fix” later.

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Photo 9 The whole section to be sceniced.

 HO scale trestle bridge

Photo 10 A clearer idea as what happens to the mainlines. The helix and where the two mainlines come back to level. The section near the wall will be a power plant and a grain elevator when done.

ceiling tiles as rocks for model railroad

Photo 11 The beginning of the solution to the scenery to answer one of the problems. My stand by. Ceiling tile rocks!

HO scale tunnel trestel bridge

Photo 12 The tunnel opening to the helix. The coal mine just beyond.

ceiling tiles as rocks

Photo 13 The basic rocks in place.

ceiling tiles as rocks for model railroad

Photo 14 Color added to the rocks. Craft paints of the color I wanted.

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Photo 15 Mossy look for the rocks. I brush on a 50/50 mix of white glue over the rocks. I wanted a pretty genera moss look. Next with a stiff piece of paper with ground foam on it I gently puffed the foam over the rocks. About 30 minutes later I lightly misted water over the rocks and this helps moisten the foam and pull up the glue from below.

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Photo 16 The center “island” ready for more work.

freight running on Dual level HO scale layout

Photo 17 Further along on the island.

Dual level HO scale layout tunnel

Photo 18 Nearly finished look at the tunnel to the helix.

ho scale tunnel

Photo 19 More progress.

 model train tunnel

Photo 20 The entrance of the mainlines to the tunnel through the helix mountain. Problem #4. I looked for a prototype situation like this. The Santa Fe had one similar to this at Raton Pass at one time. I found another in the along the Appellation Mountains in the U.S.



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Photo 21 Nearly finish looks. The river has not yet bee poured.

Dual level HO scale layout

Photo 22 Mid section. Notice the girder bridge over the lower bridge. I previously mentioned that the track board was already in place before the bridges. Problem solved. Rather than make another bridge from scratch, I chose another way. I used some kit bridge plate girder bridge pieces left over from another project. The pieces were glued together and then screwed into the plywood track boards. Saved a lot of work.

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Photo 23 Wide view.

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Photo 24 View from the “reverse” side.

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Photo 25 Reverse side. The tunnel opening will become evident soon.

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Photo 26 Reverse view

Photo 28 Long wall reverse view. The tunnel below the loco opens to a bridge below the train. The train when viewed from this side, is going through a cut.

 hill for model train

Photo 29 The large area captioned shows that the space will be painted the color of the fascia. The other rocks get the moss.

 model train freight

Photo 30 The power plant. The Helix mountain in the back ground. We are standing in the river. Note the blue “Port-a-Potty. The darker area to the left is the start of a trail up to the fire tower.

model train grain elevator

Photo 31 The grain elevator. Not finished in this photo.

HO scale model train scenery

Photo 33 The far side of the River section. The tracks to the lower left go to the helix and coal mine. The top tracks are the mainline tracks to the River crossings.

Dual level HO scale layout

Photo 34 The “front side” of Photo 33. The owner is a camper and hiker. The town is to the right through the tunnels. To the left out of this photo are some campers.

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Photo 35 The campers. Air-streams

Photo 36 Activity around the river.

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Photo 37 If you have made it so far you are about to be rewarded! Here is the river in place. The river goes under the bridges and to the very edge of the layout.

ho scale river diagram

Photo 38 The trick is to get the EnviroTex to stay where it is supposed to be. Look at the diagram. The key is the waxed paper and caulk sandwich. The piece of wood is screwed to the layout. This dam works. When the EnviroTex sets up just unscrew it and peal the waxed paper away. You can paint the end black, have the fascia cover the opening or just leave it the way it is.

Dual level HO scale layout

Photo 39 River 1

 ceiling tiles for model train rocks

Photo 40 River 2 opposite side

model railroad scenery river

Photo 41 River 3.

Thanks for looking.

Santafedan”

A huge big thanks to Hall of Fame Dan for sharing his dual level HO scale layout.

(If you want to see his previous post, it’s here: HO scale background scenery.)

His post really got me thinking: what are the things you always think of when you are starting, or running with your layout build? I’d really love to hear your thoughts on this one.

That’s all for this time folks.

Please do keep ’em coming because it’s ghostly quiet this end.

And if today is the day you decide to stop dreaming and start doing, the Beginner’s Guide is here.

Best

Al

PS Latest ebay cheat sheet is here.

PPS More HO scale train layouts here if that’s your thing.





Filming model trains

Hall of Fame Rob has been in touch with some good advice on filming model train:

“Hi Al,

Hope all is well with you. Here is another video for your blog. It seemed fairly popular with my subscribers, although it has only been out for a couple of days.

I have been making a series of videos on topics related to model railways/railroads video creation lately. You published the first one on ‘Layout Considerations’ quite recently. In a separate video, I also covered sidings, team tracks, interchanges, branch lines, and spurs.

When creating a video that showcases your model layout to its fullest advantage, it is important to consider the audience that will see the video. If the video is too long, no one will want to watch it, or if they start, they will not watch it for long. Most people have a maximum attention span of 3 minutes or less. It must be compelling if you want them to watch past their attention span.

One way to make your videos more interesting is to try to tell a story so people want to see where it leads. You can tell a story about your journey as you build the layout or a journey of discovery.

Arnie tells actual stories of a different kind with his video stories around and on his Susquehanna layout. With Arnie, one gets to see the details of the layout while being entertained with a storyline.

The other things one can do to make a video more interesting are outlined in the attached video.

filming model trains grass

filming model trains farm

model train farm scene

model train night scene

filming model trains night scene

model train fish and chips



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A huge big thanks to Hall of Famer Rob for his take on filming model trains.

You can see Arnie’s video that Rob mentions here: American Freedom train.

(You can also see more of them both in the Hall of Fame.

That’s all for today folks.

Please do keep ’em coming.

And if today is the day you get started on your layout, the Beginner’s Guide is here.

Best

Al

PS Latest ebay cheat sheet is here.

PPS More HO scale train layouts here if that’s your thing.





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HO train scenery layouts

More HO train scenery layouts today, Dan has been back in touch:

“Al, this is the next installment of the layout I had to come up with the scenery on an incomplete layout.

Background. I was building a layout for a friend. The NMRA convention was approaching here in Indianapolis Indiana. It was to be a double decked generic layout. It became clear that, it would not be nearly complete enough to have trains running over the “Plywood Empire” in time for the convention. He hired a company that did layouts. They did the upper level to the point that the track, ballasting and basic wiring was done. They did not consult about any scenic ideas. They left us with just the grid work.

In the previous installment, I showed how I did the helix scenery to meet the owner’s request that he be able to stand up in the helix for any repair work in the future. This will feature “The Wall.” This created a very interesting, for me, situation. I normally use the “cookie cutter ” method to get elevation either up or down. The foam risers were a new problem to tackle. I had seen others use it. I had mixed opinion as to it’s use.

My main objection was that there is practically no space to put scenery. With the “cookie cutter” method you put in the space for “things to come.” I do a lot of pre-planning when working out a layout plan. I know a lot of readers of your blog use the foam for elevation. I am impressed with their work. Here is my attempt to “fix” the attachment problem. It was a challenge and worth the effort trying out a new technique for me.

This section had to look good from each side and this complicated things.

HO model railroad track plan

Photo 1 The track plan.

Photo 2 The section that I call “The Wall” is a grade starting from near the bottom to where the lines cross at the purple colored track. The purple track passes under the double track and goes toward the helix and the coal mine seen in the previous post.

HO scale track curve

Photo 3 The beginning of the incline.

model train incline

Photo 4 Looking the other way.

model train freight

Photo 5 From the other side.



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model railroad incline

Photo 6 I first put a thin sheet of foam all along the the sides to fill in the gaps in the riser.( I tested a sample of the panel on some scrap to see how it took to the foam. The sections of the foam caused ripples in the wall panel to form. The foam sheet took care of this.)

HO scale bridge

Photo 7 Take a close look at photo 4. You can see an offset from the risers. This was to accommodate the crossover switches and the switch throws. I cut an opening for a road to pass under the embankment to get to some access to a work area. You will see this later.

HO scale loco over bridge

Photo 8 Here is the opening for a main road that leads into town. I did not make it two lanes wide because the opening would likely weaken the track above. So I made two openings to keep some support in place. This made it harder because now I had two openings to work out. It may have been overkill…but better then finding out later.

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Photo 9 Finished look at one of the openings.

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Photo 10 Here is how I got the scenery to the wall and have it look natural. In the distance in the photo I used some support for the plaster cloth to come and then scupta mold. In the near portions showing the fill, I just used the scupta mold to fill the spaces.

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Photo 11 The far side of the fill where the access for the track to the helix and coal mine pass under the riser.

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Photo 12 Finished look at the double underpass.

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Photo 13 The opposite side of the fill showing access to the switch work so the workers can get up to work on them.

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Photo 14 More of the other side.

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Photo 15 Just more of the project. The trees are a plant called Sedum and sometimes called everlasting. You have seen these in my other posts.

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Photo 16 The finished “end” of the incline. To the right is the town and to the left is the next post to come.

ho train scenery layouts

Photo 17 I just found this photo and it is going to be easier to put it here. It shows the fill for the start of the incline.

Thanks Al for letting me be part of your Blog and I hope had something to contribute”

A huge big thanks to Dan for adding to the HO train scenery layouts.

(If you want to see his previous post, it’s here: HO scale background scenery.

Hope you enjoyed it as much as me.

That’s all this time folks.

Please do keep ’em coming.

And if today is the day you grab the bull by the horns, the Beginner’s Guide is here.

Best

Al

PS Latest ebay cheat sheet is here.

PPS More HO scale train layouts here if that’s your thing.





printable buildings

And there’s the Silly Discount bundle too.